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Old 10-14-2012, 09:45 PM
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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????







This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.









Can a good Muslim be a good American?









This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.The following is his reply:









Theologically - no.. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .









Religiously - no... Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)









Scripturally - no... Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.









Geographically - no.. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.









Socially - no.... Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.









Politically - no.... Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.









Domestically - no... Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )









Intellectually - no.. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.









Philosophically - no... Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.









Spiritually - no... Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.









Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish, it's still the truth.. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.




The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!









Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.




SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.












































































































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Old 10-14-2012, 10:13 PM
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You answered the question with what you wrote.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:53 PM
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Unfortunately, that's what our country is facing. And I'd almost bet this will not come up in the foreign-policy debate between Obama and Romney, in spite of the fact that it is the most important question we'll be dealing with. If we don't meet this head-on, we can jump through all the economic hoops we want to, following whomever for a leader, and it will do us NO good. Sooner or later, somehow, we WILL have to deal with it.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:00 AM
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When they come to America they need to act like Americans, if they want to practice what they did in their old country maybe they need to stay in that country.
The people who came thru Ellis Island years ago wanted to be Americans and they tried with all their might to blend in and learn the American way.
We have had too many lawyers get involved and change the way we were.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:43 PM
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A better question than "Can muslims be good americans?" is whether a "good Muslim" can be a "good American."

I do not believe a faithfully observant Muslim can be a a good American. On the other hand, there are numerous examples of people born in Muslim countries who very much hate their former governments and have grown to love American freedom. We've accepted former Iraqi and former Iranian citizens into the United States military ever since the fall of the Shah of Iran, and that was a good thing.

Saying that isn't really that radical. As late as the 1950s, some in the American Civil Liberties Union were arguing that Communists, because of their theoretical commitment to dialectical materialism and practical commitment to taking orders from Moscow, did not have the necessary independence of thought to be in academic positions and did not make good American citizens.

(Granted, this was in the "Red Scare" context when lots of liberals were trying very hard to show how liberalism and Communism were fundamentally different, but taking the ACLU at face value, the position holds validity.)

It seems to me that same principle applies to Islam.

We also have a precedent in America with how we treated Shinto shrines during World War II. We understood that in the context of pre-1945 Japan, the religious and political commitments of Shintoism were inextricably linked, and we shut down Shinto shrines and demanded loyalty oaths to America from citizens with Japanese ancestry.

The complication here is that the Japanese Bushido warrior code required honest answers. Islam allows lying to advance Jihad. The result is that the loyalty oaths which worked with the Japanese won't necessarily work with Muslims.

What's the difference between a lying Muslim planning secret Jihad and an honest man who isn't very religious and wants nothing to do with his former country's oppressive ways? And what about people who change their views over time to become more radicalized in their views?

Here's a prime example of the problem: Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

Pointing out the problem is easier than finding a solution to it.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:39 PM
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A better question than "Can muslims be good americans?" is whether a "good Muslim" can be a "good American."

What's the difference between a lying Muslim planning secret Jihad and an honest man who isn't very religious and wants nothing to do with his former country's oppressive ways? And what about people who change their views over time to become more radicalized in their views?

Here's a prime example of the problem: Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

Pointing out the problem is easier than finding a solution to it.
The solution certainly won't be an easy one .... yet it's one the world at large had better get a handle on, and very soon. Two of my all-time closest friends are former Iranians, who were educated here while the Ayatollah Khomeini was ruling Iran after the Shah was deposed. They still have family there, who live under Sharia, but live their lives here as non-Muslims, under Western rules. Most folks here don't understand the Koran and it's acceptance of lying - to the extent of a totally false identity for years - as long as the deceit is in favor of Jihad and Mohammed. THAT is our weakness as Westerners, who hold truth and honesty in the highest regard. (Of course, I'm talking about the folks, not necessarily all our leaders in Washington, in either party)
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Once sharia law is wanted in place of the host nations laws then they have to go..
Citizen or not, Sedetion is grounds for deportation..
Sorta like maybe once upon a time in a land faraway illegally entering a country once was..

We're so scre... Ummm lost yeah let's use lost in that last sentence....
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:57 PM
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I don't think we can save our country at this point, we have let the lawyers walk all over us with rights of non americans, we treat them like they are citizens from the day they set a foot in our country.
If we were in Iran, Iraq or any country in that region of the world we as americans are not treated like the citizens of those countries so why do we give them the luxury of the american rights when they are in our country.
If America doesn't get tough real fast with these folks from other countries then we are doomed to collapse.
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I don't think we can save our country at this point, we have let the lawyers walk all over us with rights of non americans.
If America doesn't get tough real fast with these folks from other countries then we are doomed to collapse.
You're right. We've placed ourselves in the position of being legally prohibited from making decisions to benefit our own country.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:21 PM
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Hopefully new leadership will start to push that envelope in the right direction. I don't believe in hating Muslims, but I do believe anyone, no matter their color, religion, etc. that comes to this country MUST assimulate into our country and culture. If they are unable or unwilling to do that, then we need to tell them to take a hike.
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