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Old 08-26-2007, 11:10 PM
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This story is a bit painful... I hope there is more to the story ( or less as the case may be) ... that this is just 'misguided' information... interested in your thoughts ...


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. ? The Rev. Ted Haggard, who left the megachurch he founded after admitting to "sexual immorality," has asked supporters for financial assistance while he and his wife pursue their studies.

The former New Life Church pastor plans to seek a master's degree in counseling at the University of Phoenix while his wife studies psychology, he said in an e-mail sent this week to KRDO-TV in Colorado Springs.

The couple and two of their sons planned to move Oct. 1 to the Phoenix Dream Center, a faith-based halfway house in Phoenix, where Haggard and his wife would provide counseling, the e-mail said.

"It looks as though it will take two years for us to have adequate earning power again, so we are looking for people who will help us monthly for two years," the e-mail said. "During that time we will continue as full-time students, and then, when I graduate, we won't need outside support any longer."

Haggard left the 10,000-member New Life Church late last year and resigned as head of the National Association of Evangelicals after a former male escort accused Haggard of paying him for sex.

Mike Ware, an overseer for New Life Church, told The Gazette of Colorado Springs on Friday that it was premature of Haggard to release the statement without first consulting the overseers.

A New Life spokesman did not immediately return a phone message left late Friday by The Associated Press.

Haggard received a salary of $115,000 for the 10 months he worked in 2006 and an $85,000 anniversary bonus before the scandal broke, The Gazette reported. Haggard's severance package included a year's salary of $138,000, and he collects royalties on his book titles, the newspaper reported.

El Paso County records show Haggard's home, which has been up for sale, has a market value of $715,051.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:16 PM
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And he wants benefactors to support him while he pursues his education?
Sorry - none from me! Yes, it's sad, all right .... but he's demonstrated all I need to see of his character. (entirely aside from the problem he got caught on in the first place)
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:18 PM
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Sounds like just one more abuse of people's faith.

L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction author, was quoted as saying that if you wanted to get rich, all that was needed was to found a religion. He went on to create Dianetics (we've all heard about Tom Cruise and John Travolta's engagement with them, right?)

I once saw their headquarters in California. Unbelievable. The building took up what I believe was a full square mile or half mile of land.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:25 PM
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[quote=river_rat;19317]And he wants benefactors to support him while he pursues his education?
Sorry - none from me! Yes, it's sad, all right .... but he's demonstrated all I need to see of his character. (entirely aside from the problem he got caught on in the first place)

"Mike Ware, an overseer for New Life Church, told The Gazette of Colorado Springs on Friday that it was premature of Haggard to release the statement without first consulting the overseers."

Agree with you re earlier demonstration... the above quote has an ominous ring... he was supposed to be accountable to the group... seems not... that shouts of continued arrogance and distance from Christian character, if the report is accurate.
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"Mike Ware, an overseer for New Life Church, told The Gazette of Colorado Springs on Friday that it was premature of Haggard to release the statement without first consulting the overseers."

Agree with you re earlier demonstration... the above quote has an ominous ring... he was supposed to be accountable to the group... seems not... that shouts of continued arrogance and distance from Christian character, if the report is accurate.
I love the way you're able to see the process behind the words, stlouis.
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The sad thing here is there will be people that will use their hard earned money to support him. I would not seek counseling from him or his wife. Distance from Christian character?? Understatement!!
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Maybe he ought support himself as a male escort...
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I'm not condoning this mans behavior. I think it's wrong of him to ask people to support him while he goes to school.

With that being said, do you not believe even Christians can make mistakes? The only difference in the believer and the non-believer is that the believer has been forgiven for the mistakes.
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The sad thing here is there will be people that will use their hard earned money to support him. I would not seek counseling from him or his wife. Distance from Christian character?? Understatement!!
Marge,... thank you for your imput... I respect and appreciate your opinion... as I have been asked to write a related article regarding this type of issue for a friend's web magazine, I wonder if you would please amplify your comment...ie, if indeed the statement, "Distance from Christian character" is an understatement...(and depending on the definition of distance, you may well be correct)... what would you consider a balanced statement? I will not be quoting anyone on here, but I am looking for views other than mine... or at least, different by degrees. Thanks...
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I'm not condoning this mans behavior. I think it's wrong of him to ask people to support him while he goes to school.

With that being said, do you not believe even Christians can make mistakes? The only difference in the believer and the non-believer is that the believer has been forgiven for the mistakes.
Adrienne,
Agree with you in not condoning his behavior... and agree it is not right at all for him to ask for support ... am bothered by his disregard for any accountability also...
And yes, I certainly do believe Christians make mistakes... being a Christian, I know it for sure ...... you may take a little 'heat' as many will not see this as a mistake but a continuance of his determination to cloak himself in darkness and sin... his prior deceitfulness level was high... this appeal for money seems to declare a non-repentant state and an almost arrogant disregard for other people and/or a mercenary motive. Having said all that, ( ), I just wanted you to know I support your view and your heart!
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I love the way you're able to see the process behind the words, stlouis.
KB... I'll say 'thank you'... but the truth is that I will be taking credit where none is due... but it is nice of you!

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Old 08-27-2007, 07:37 PM
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I'm not condoning this mans behavior. I think it's wrong of him to ask people to support him while he goes to school.

With that being said, do you not believe even Christians can make mistakes? The only difference in the believer and the non-believer is that the believer has been forgiven for the mistakes.
I guess the first thing that came to my mind is forgiven "by whom?" Maybe by a greater being, yes, but by people who feel duped? Might take longer.

The second thing that crossed was whether it really was a mistake. I mean, the guy sold a house valued at three-quarters of a million dollars. It's not like he's living humbly, just eking by. He's asking for people who will never even SEE the inside of a place like that and asking them to support him while he goes to school. He could work at Burger King, pay off school (and probably the down payment on a new house) and still get by better than most of us ever will. I don't think that is a mistake. It sounds like opportunism.
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